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 >>/44226/

Looks pretty risky:

> DRACO is selective for virus-infected cells. Differentiation between infected and healthy cells is made primarily via the length and type of RNA transcription helices present within the cell. Most viruses produce long dsRNA helices during transcription and replication. In contrast, uninfected mammalian cells generally produce dsRNA helices of fewer than 24 base pairs during transcription. 

> uninfected mammalian cells generally produce

Considering that human organism is very complex, there are chance that some obscure type of cells would be in danger. Especially when their damage may be unseen for long.

Although it looks interesting of course.
Today our govt. issued a new ordinance. Panned medical procedur gonna require a a negative PCR test in 48 hours and a quick antigen test on the day of the procedure.
The tests have to be free as long as you are under 18, or they suspect infection, or the patient can't be vaxxed for legit medical reasons. Otherwise the patient might have to pay for it...
As I wrote above they demand PCR and quick test before planned invasive medical procedures, the patients have to pay the cost. A quick test is about €22, the PCR €55.
Now if someone wants to use the services of the national healthcare system, he has to pay health insurance to the state. If I pay the insurance on what basis can they deny the service from me? They can mandate the test, but then the insurance should cover it the same - because in the end of the day they have to service me the same - or give me back my fucking money. Why the fuck should I pay the insurance, if they deny the service?
It's crazy.
 >>/44698/
> If I pay the insurance on what basis can they deny the service from me? They can mandate the test, but then the insurance should cover it the same - because in the end of the day they have to service me the same - or give me back my fucking money.

I guess vaccinated people don't need PCR?

They want you to be vaccinated. Forcing vaccination is an obvious option, but it is extreme measure that guarantee some unrest. So, they do everything to make life of unvaccinated worse. Same method was used in multiple regions of Russia, sometimes even without PCR - just get vaccine or you wouldn't be hospitalized. This includes only planned, not emergency hospitalizations though.

Publicly funded healthcare is a sophisticated scam anyway, so expecting honesty from system is very naive action.
 >>/44700/
> I guess vaccinated people don't need PCR?
Yeah, I forgot that tiny detail. Sorry.
> They want you to be vaccinated.
Ofc.
> Forcing vaccination is an obvious option, but it is extreme measure 
Noone would blink an eye for mandatory vaccination. Fucks sake, there are mandatory vacc for babies, and half the population have to vaccinate their dogs every year - which also mandatory (for rabies).
But they can't mandate it, because these are experimental vaccines, unknown long term side effects, and they need the consent of the people taking it to cover their asses (both the vaccine producers and the govt.).
> So, they do everything to make life of unvaccinated worse.
That they do.
> Same method was used in multiple regions of Russia, 
But not everywhere in Russia, and we are not Russia, we are a member state of the EU with a bit more serious expectation to uphold citizen and human rights. We have ombudsmans/ombudsmen(?) who are do their jobs sometimes. Even in this case one representative in the legislation held up her hand and turned to the ombudsman to revise some stuff in this regulation. And ofc they game the system and EU doesn't really give two shits, I bet other member states does the same with their citizens.
> Publicly funded healthcare is a sophisticated scam anyway,
Right now they are riding on the "free" term, like anything is free (it's payed via the mandatory health/social insurance, which is either distracted from the wage by default, or can be payed directly to the tax office). And I get back to my point, then why the hell I should pay that fugging insurance, why anyone should pay it?
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> we are not Russia, we are a member state of the EU with a bit more serious expectation to uphold citizen and hooman wights

lmao, look at core EU like france and italy: the expression you were looking for was not "serious expectation" but "hypocritical pretension"
time to stop drinking the kool-aid
go out and join a protest like some french and italians
 >>/44704/
> Noone would blink an eye for mandatory vaccination. Fucks sake, there are mandatory vacc for babies, and half the population have to vaccinate their dogs every year - which also mandatory (for rabies).

There is worldwide resistance for mandatory coronavirus vaccination. Russia also has no real antivax movement (compared to USA), and children almost always vaccinated multiple times, but even there covid vaccines aren't fully accepted by general population. Especially considering that disease looks not that dangerous, but restrictions and media propaganda were too severe. That created dissonance and worked like that story with boy crying about wolf that everyone knew. And now we have antivaxers too.

Another problem are lazy people - they see that covid isn't a big thing after a year, and they need to be motivated to do something. It is very large amount of people, they aren't against vaccines but only restrictions will force them.

Mandatory vaccination also requires mandatory vaccination check infrastructure, restrictions, more policing, some human rights abuse and other unfunny things. So, government decides to go in easy mode and try to make all this quiet. It worked in Moscow, after months of QR-codes they'll get another few millions of vaccinated people, who didn't care before. Then QR-codes were cancelled, but they may return if vaccination speed would be slow again.

> But not everywhere in Russia, and we are not Russia, we are a member state of the EU with a bit more serious expectation to uphold citizen and human rights.

Last year shows that EU isn't better in many cases. Maybe even worse, because your governments are more efficient in their actions.

> And I get back to my point, then why the hell I should pay that fugging insurance, why anyone should pay it?

That is the part of scam - technically you pay for medical help and must get it freely (by law), but in reality they may change rules as they want. And you can't even stop paying while they have no restrictions for anything.
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 >>/44708/
Vaccination ration is quite high here, basically just gypsies, kids, and couple idiots like me who aren't vaxxed. No movement because that would need political division, but noone in the opposition would stand by the cause of anti-vaxxers (everyone like that considered basically as a murderer - the govt. and opposition parties declared how the other side anti-vaxx stance is killing people while both pushed for more vaccination overbidding each other in their effort).
This week we started to give the third (3rd) round of vaccine, first in Urop.
> infrastructure, restrictions, more policing, some human rights abuse
But we are doing this already. The vaccine passport, both on "paper" and electronic on phones. All the other are given.
 >>/44710/
> No movement because that would need political division, but noone in the opposition would stand by the cause of anti-vaxxers

There is no political force that is against the vaccine here too. Some groups say that restricting access rights isn't a good thing, but nothing more. Antivaxers aren't supported by anyone even semi-officially, but they still exist.

> But we are doing this already.

It looks slightly better than mandatory vaccines from rights perspective, because there is illusion of "free choice".

Also every decision is related to money, directly or indirectly, so making PCR non-free is a good for some people who can profit from this. There people surely have lobby.
 >>/44710/
> idiots like me who aren't vaxxed

idiots indeed, as demonstrated by the fact that you have smoothly adopted the discourse of the people that disdain you: rejecting ultimate invasion of privacy in the form on mandatory bodily intrusion of an experimental drug is somehow smeared as "anti-vaccine" and "basically murderer" lol
 >>/44707/
wow so convincing
very well then continue to have your precious expectations disregarded as you finger your gash while thinking of EU membership lol
 >>/44712/
in the future this event may come to be regarded as the ignition of the second cold war
fog might clear a bit in a couple of months after the US spooks/mil present their case (against china probably)
 >>/44712/
> PCR non-free 
It wouldn't be free, just paid indirectly via tax/health insurance, like vaccines. And yes we are back at the starting point where they want to force as many people as possible to get inoculated.
Next year elections, so govt also pushes more and more since they are afraid they're gonna fail if they can be accused with mishandling the situation.

 >>/44716/
Avbolutely 4chan/pol-tier
 >>/44710/
Or are all those stats on share of ppl vaccinated simply because we have wrong figures on the population size?
How much double-counting, for example, is there in the data? Funnily enough the European countries with lowest reported vaccination rates are the ones which have had the largest shares of population leave country and move to richer countries thanks to Schengen and such
And, well, Germany did a survey recently.
The reported vaccination rate is 59% for the 18-60 age cohort. However the results of the survey are 79% fully vaccinated. What's going on?
> Laut RKI ist der Unterschied zum sogenannten Digitalen Impfquotenmonitoring (DIM), das dem Impfdashboard zugrunde liegt, besonders auffällig gewesen in der Altersgruppe der 18- bis 59-Jährigen. Während bei der Erhebung namens Covimo (kurz für: Covid-19 Impfquoten-Monitoring) 79 Prozent der Erwachsenen unter 60 Jahren angaben, mindestens einmal geimpft zu sein, waren es laut dem offiziellen System 59 Prozent.
https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/corona-deutschland-impfen-101.html
But note: Germans have horrendous bureaucracy surrounding all the recordkeeping (no real central system whatsoever) so perhaps 20% have simply not been reported yet. Perhaps it's the same in other places as well. Bureaucracy.
 >>/44736/
I dunno where the data in that diagram was coming from. I found the site via a link in an article on a Hungarian news site... I think...
On first sight the numbers of Israel don't match, I heard quite some time ago they are over 90% (and not long ago, but even before us they started to administer the third round).
 >>/44737/
There I also wouldn't be surprised if Israel's population is the other way around. That there's more people living in the country than there are counted in statistics.
Perhaps that's also why they have so high fertility rate. Undercount of women in the country, while number of births is harder to hide.
Especially undercounted might be the Haredim.
Third round of vaccination is going strong in Israel.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/8/23/israel-struggles-to-cope-with-surge-of-covid-infections-despite-v
> we moved from 100 cases a day to 8,000 cases a day
> In neighbouring occupied Palestine, only 9.2 percent of the population has been fully vaccinated, while in Israel 60.1 percent has received at least two jabs.
The article doesn't say which area suffers from the upsurge.
> “Someone called me Hitler today on social media,” said Professor Cohen
That's normal occurrence in Israel. Calling the other whom one does not agree with Hitler is national sport there.
> One person opposed to coronavirus vaccines told him “we will all die because we got vaccinated and now we won’t have to fight to take our land because we will all be dead and the country will be served to the Palestinians on a platter”, Cohen recounted.
Hilarious.
DNA vaccine
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.13.456164v1.full-text
> easier and cheaper to make
> thermally stable
> induces both cell-mediated and humoral immune response
> could induce higher neutralizing antibody responses against viruses such as SARS, MERS, Zika
> can also induce strong T cell immunity
> it's just a jab bro
Ministry of Human Resources declared they won't mandate mask again because our defense is inoculation based for the fourth wave because the vaccines are the most effective tools.
https://index.hu/belfold/2021/10/16/emmi-koronavirus-maszkviseles-karacsony-gergely/

Meanwhile I read statements of professionals here and there that "everyone will catch it", "herd immunity isn't beneficial to the unvaccinated", "it will hit the hardest those who aren't vaccinated", and such. Then why not try to protect those who aren't, by mandating masks?
Are masks useless?
Do they want to infect unvaxxed peeps so they can show the statistics that in fact they get vaccinated the most?
Do they want to infect unvaxxed to get people "natural" immunity?
Do they know what "herd immunity" means at all?
Do they want to infect as many people as they can because these vaccines against covid (and flu btw) don't grant immunity?
Or what the fuck?
 >>/45328/
It will bounce around until it mutates into something that can infect vaccinated people and then because they all are not wearing masks it will be a pandemic all over again. That's my theory. But then what? We have to make a new vaccine and get that, are we really going to have Covid Vaccines for the rest of our lives? This is one of the reasons I am not getting vaccinated, why bother if we have to keep getting it anyway? I don't care about anybody else anyway.

Caring about the elderly was a mistake, we should have just let them die for the sake of the economy.
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Now I think they want the illness go through the population.
Many people got vaccine shots (way over the half of the population), most twice, and the third round is administered. The vaccines don't make anyone immune, only triggers the (IgM and) IgG production, which helps fighting the infection more easily temporarily for some months. But peeps can get infected and can spread the virus all over. No mask mandates or restrictions (1. for now; 2. at certain places you have to wear masks, like in hospitals, or dispensaries), so people can infect each other freely (if masks ever helped), and the illness will spread. Ofc many will gain immunity by themselves with contracting the illness.
This can be good, can be bad.
What I noticed that corona articles disappeared from news sites (I checked five major media outlets), previously walls headlines covered them about it, now they feature only a token article about the topic.
I speculate that the situation can be exploited by the Fidesz govt. for the next year election, if the situation turns bad (the political situation, if the polls show the opposition could potentially win), they might postpone the election pointing at the pandemic. I'm not sure if that would do them any good, hence what I wrote just speculating some.

Also I don't hear much about testing, last year was loud about that, and "contact research" and shit, now it seems nothing is going on. But Google search has this feature, you just type "[country name] covid" into the search box and it gives a nice graph about statistics. And it seems we do similar amount of testing as last year at the same time. Although now if you did not get vaccinated it is mandatory to take tests (a quick and a pcr, so two tests per person) for certain stuff.
Heh, yesterday I skimmed an article where they quoted some chief head idiot (perhaps a minister), who said:
> no mask mandates because Hungarian citizens are adults who can decide for themselves
How the population grew up suddenly since last year...
They're mandating the mask on public transportation, from November 1.
They also give the right for the employers to mandate vaccination if they wish. They can send workers to leave without a pay for a year if they deny to do so, after that they can fire them.
In the state administration most likely they'll demand to get the vaccine, also they won't support remote work so the employees can't refuse and ask if they can work from home then.
 >>/45408/
That seems to be how it's going to go. Here in Australia they already started, they mandated Vaccines in some fields but left the rest to businesses themselves, they are pretty much mandatory if you want to work now. Luckily I don't have a job.
 >>/45410/
Healthcare employees had to vaccinate an months ago.
Also I think nursing homes made that as a requirement both from the staff and the "inmates".
> Luckily I don't have a job.
People don't realize how hard that work really is.
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Now Guardian published an article about it, there are people who are immune, due to their already existing T-cells:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/10/people-exposed-to-covid-yet-not-falling-ill-may-have-immune-memory-finds-study
As I wrote here  >>/44218/ that Hungarian researcher said there were papers. The video was from 2020 September or so. Weird how The Guardian could only find such paper just now.
 >>/45666/
What is toxic in soap?
In it's purest form it's fat and lye. Lye ain't good when consumed pure, but I think that page says it's watered down. Lye however is basic which neutralizes acids. I rinse with sodium bicarbonate solution couple of times per day, for the same reason (chiefly before brushing my teeth, so I won't scrub my teeth in acidic environment).
Ofc the soaps available in most shops contains much other stuff than the two core ingredients of soap, so I can imagine some stuff can be poisonous when ingested. But dunno which ones.

In general the advice on the page to consume pure water, or rinse with water is solid. Acids are bad for out teeth, no doubt, and water also neutralizes them (something more basic should be more effective).
I disagree that sugary stuff ain't bad. Our mouth do have a flora, and the bacteria there eats carbohydrates and poops acids (actually I think they make alcohol, but with enough oxygen they end up with acids, basically vinegar - it's similar to the process of wine making, similarly if oxygen gets to the wine it goes bad because it gets vinegary). And we are back: acid is bad. However sugary stuff also can be washed away with water. The real turd sandwiches are those high carb foodstuffs which aren't water soluble and can sit in the nooks, like potato. Those need to be brushed away (they don't necessarily need toothpaste I think, the mechanical cleaning should be enough).
 >>/45669/
Pure water = not sugary, acidic drinks we consume. For example my tea drinking habit ain't the best.
> first someone should make their own soap
You can do that. There is a Pole on Kohl who does that, it's very inexpensive, and while the process is tedious, much can be made in one batch. But simple soap is available at some places, not in common shops, or markets as I noted, but people do produce and sell such.
I'm also not telling to you to wash your teeth with soap (it could be fine - not the taste, that will be shit -, I just dunno). I was asking what is toxic in that.
 >>/45671/
The page did not use the word "pure water".
I also did not write the text.
But sure get water without fluoride. We have that, you should have access to that. Without chlorine is a different matter. Up until some years back where I live we had that, but since then people pooped in the water so now they treat it with chlorine.
About the fluoride.
I think two reasons to put into toothpaste: 1. it is toxin and kills bacteria; 2. it crystallizes on the teeth creating a resistant coating. The first is my speculation, the second is what I found when I searched "recalcification" or some shit like that.
What it does not do:
Doesn't "recalcifize". Bones and teeth needs calcium and phosphorus, no fluoride (zero). Supposedly saliva contains both the former, and recalcification should happen by itself. Ofc if a person does not consume foodstuff that contains them, it won't happen. Btw karst water should contain bunch of calcium.
Here they advertised toothpastes with fluoride that it builds into the teeth. It doesn't (false advertisement), it forms a layer on that. Supposedly. Just coat your teeth with Hammerite bro.
 >>/45674/
> Doesn't "recalcifize". Bones and teeth needs calcium and phosphorus, no fluoride (zero).
Because enamel is not just calcium phosphate.
Normally enamel is hydroxylised, there are OH⁻ groups added to the calcium phosphate. It is hydroxyapatite.
But if you add fluoride, the fluoride will start replacing the OH⁻ groups. It will turn hydroxyapatite into fluoroapatite.
Fluoroapatite is more resistant to chemical wear, which is why dentists want you to fluoridise your teeth.
 >>/45680/
I noted it here:
> 2. it crystallizes on the teeth creating a resistant coating
About this:
> which is why dentists want you to fluoridise your teeth.
I had 4 dentists (one of whom I met only once, not sure if counts), none wanted me to use teepaste with fluoride, or treat my teeth in any other ways. They talked about how to wash teeth well, what toothbrush to pick, and flossing.
Beside your claim I only heard similar in advertisements. This make me doubt dentists actually do that.

Problem is dentists don't talk much about dental hygiene in the first place. They don't talk about neutralizing acids (the role of water, or basic ph), or the digestive work of bacteria. What kids get fed with - not by dentists! - is bacteria literally drilling holes in the teeth, or with other mechanical ways.
Parents also don't talk about this with their kids. Especially since most adults have only the same vague ideas about tooth decay.
Maybe in school, during biology lesson, the teacher talks about it, or in chemistry when learning about elements and they mention calcium and limestone, and do vinegar experiment on some. But who listens to teachers - besides the couple brown-noser in the first row?
At the moment I have more vaccinated acquaintance with corona than non-vaccinated, overwhelmingly more. I dunno about serious cases however.
On the other hand seems to be more cases in my social network than during previous waves, and definitely younger the ill in general.
Also flu (or similar, I doubt they tested anyone to confirm if it's flu).
 >>/45705/
Vacc raise Immunoglobulin G levels. From this it can be deduced what are they capable of doing and what aren't. It is certainly not a shield which deflects viruses, and neither herd immunity can be built upon it as previously falsely advertised (and indeed I still see articles with that bs, and government bleating continuously that everyone has to be "immunized" with vax). It helps to fight infection in individuals.
As previously noted above some people already had T-cells against corona (for previous infections of non sars-cov2 coronas, and sars-cov2), so I assume the vacc could help some people's immune system to develop "memory" immunity. Or not, it's just my speculation.
> Cuba’s bet on home-grown COVID vaccines is paying off. Preprint data show that a three-dose combo of Soberana jabs has 92.4% efficacy in clinical trials.
how to get Cuban vaccine against capitalist imperialism?
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> A file had a format that is not allowed by the server.
never mind, it's easy to convert .webp to .jpg. it's just that .webp gets used more and more for it's file size savings, as if it would even matter, the same news sites post videos that have a much bigger file size. only advantage is that if you have to pay for mobile internets, the images load faster and needs less data.


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