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Forget about it, the Worker's Party president bashed the project, a lawyer filed an objection and a regional judge suspended the 900 thousand euro bid, before Bolsonaro could sign the contract. The judge thinks there's no point in buying armored vehicles in peacetime when education and healthcare are in a dire situation. The lawyer's request was more aggressive and stated there are no threats to national security and 98 vehicles would represent only 5% of the armored vehicle fleet and hence, irrelevant to defense capabilities. None of the deal's enemies delve into any technical military considerations and they're clearly clueless, but they claim spending R$ 5 billion in our current financial and social situation is immoral and illegal. Those billions apparently wouldn't have been given upfront, but paid gradually until 2038, when the 98th vehicle would be delivered; many opponents do seem to be thinking it'll be 5 billion all in this year's budget. The Army might contest the judge's decision, but within a month Lula assumes office and it's over. Lula's base within his party has become very anti-military, moods have changed since decades ago when the left could back military spending on national sovereignty grounds.

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> 50 tons is not unrealistic, the Type 10 weighs less than that.
He didn't specifically criticize the weight limit, just the overall requirements.
> Then what happens if somebody invades Brazil through the jungle?
The only border area appropriate for tanks is with Venezuela, but it won't get them far. It's not just that the roads are bad, much of the Amazon doesn't have roads at all. Rivers and aircraft are the proper modes of transportation, specialized light infantry is the chief maneuver force.
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Well, then that's it. Politics torpedoed the deal. While I raised the question of probable conflicts, it is also true if one has to do the buildup during the conflict, that is too late. As Romans said Si vis pacem, para bellum.
Hmm. I dunno. Fighting civil wars and doing coups can be done fine with whatever armament is at hand. Although in case of coup it could be a good idea to win the troops with the superior equipment.
Japan is replacing her Type 96 wheeled APCs with Patria AMVs. Sad...
This seems to be the way the world is going, nations are not designing and making their own military hardware any more, instead they are building existing foreign designs but in their own country. I don't like it.

https://www.thedefensepost.com/2022/12/09/japan-army-patria-amv/


They are also working with Italy and the UK to build a fighter Jet. But I think that is excusable as fighters are expensive to design so sharing the cost makes sense, particularly if this stops them buying US planes.

https://www.thedefensepost.com/2022/12/09/japan-uk-italy-fighter-jet/
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It's larger so it can fit more people and is presumably more resistant to mines and other such things.
Also, AMV stands for Armoured Modular Vehicle, it's like the Boxer in that it can be configured to suit various different purposes. Like it can be given a cannon and turned into an IFV.
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> It's larger so
Easier to hit.
> Modular
Seems like the trend. It makes sense in the sense that only one vehicle needs to be maintained instead of several types. But I think this modular stuff adds a level of complexity to the vehicle itself which means harder fixing stuff on the field. I dunno.
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I found an a snippet of information I want to follow up because of the potential consequences of this fateful event.
The topic is WWII, and a faulty torpedo igniting mechanism which prevented the Germans to sink quite a few capital ships of the Royal Navy, during Operation Weserübung. The book where I found this info, is quite biased, a "pulp fiction" of the history genre, although the data itself mostly legit (or at least coming from books that are considered good sources, eg. Churchill and Dönitz), how the events are dressed up, how the events are explained, is a different matter (biased towards the Axis).
So basically it says that the German U-Boots were equipped with a new, not yet battle tested torpedo, the G-7e, which were ignited with a magnetic pistol. These torpedoes were only tried in the Baltic, and in the northern waters of Norway they don't detonated the warheads. Over hundred such torpedoes were launched, and most failed. The author estimates they could have scuttled over 20 British ships, among them such names like HMS Warspite (captain Schütze losed 3 projectiles at her).

I have no data yet, just this from Wikipee:
> Pi G7A-MZ: Combined mechanical and (faulty) magnetic igniter (replaced by Pi2)
I suspect this one is mentioned in the book. So promising start. There are many angles to take a look at this.

Maybe should have write this in the Suvorov thread, but will be fine here.
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That's relatively easy to find:
https://www.historynet.com/us-torpedo-troubles-during-world-war-ii/
https://www.wearethemighty.com/popular/ww2-navy-torpedo-problems-mk14/
Here's an article about the German ones:
http://www.uboataces.com/articles-wooden-torpedoes.shtml

I dl'd a handful of books, one which seems to be Dönitz's memoirs, in English. Gonna flip couple of pages.
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Dönitz in his memoirs (Ten Years and Twenty Days; The World Publishing Company, Cleveland and New York, 1959) titles the chapter about the Norwegian campaign: "The Norwegian Operation and the Torpedo Crisis"

The most notable quote:
> On April 16 at 0410 Prien reported that he had come upon transports lying at anchor in Bygdenfiord and had fired eight torpedoes at the long wall of ships, motionless and overlapping each other - but without achieving any success.
He gives an account on reported failures, among them the aforementioned Warspite accident. Some misses, some did not fire, some fired prematurely. Some events are described in detail, what was the plan, data of ranges and such.
He concludes that both contact and magnetic pistols caused malfunctions. And not just the incapability for detonation, or the early explosion, but some torpedoes run deeper than set depth, and this caused some of the misses too.
It is hard to judge - from this glance I took - the extent of possible destruction if they had adequately working torpedoes. Would be good to know what British ships were there, and in the crosshairs of the optics.
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> But I wouldn't be surprised if there's a new flip-flop on this matter.
That middle level judge might not acted by his own judgement but was told to do it. Then further twists and turns can be expected in the story.
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I believe I found the Warspite vs Shütze incident in Churchill's book (The Second World War Vol. 1; Rosetta Books, 2002 /1948/)

This is how it looked like from the British side:
By the morning of April 10, the Warspite had joined the Commander-in-Chief, who was proceeding towards Narvik. [...] Admiral Whitworth shifted his flag to the Warspite at sea, and at noon on the thirteenth he entered the fiord escorted by nine destroyers and by dive-bombers from the Furious. There were no minefields; but a U-boat was driven off by the destroyers...
That's it. Then he goes on writing about an attack against German destroyers at Narvik.
For some months already, there's been talk of slapping the Centauro II's 120 mm turret on the Leopard 1. I'm not sure about it, it's still a vulnerable tank, but I guess any increased effective range will by itself augment its survivability.
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They flew into Transylvania. I looked away for a minute and they disappeared (actually the page locked down - can't just let it run for free for the peasants - then after refresh they were nowhere).
But two Stratotankers were circling at the SE tip of the Carpathians, I assume they had rendezvous with the F-15s. They were from England, while the fighters appeared in Poland first, south of Krakow.
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Afghan car industry just was just born.
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/auto/cars/taliban-unveils-1st-supercar-mada-9-with-modified-toyota-corolla-engine-gunroof-not-included/articleshow/97030570.cms
Here's their channel:
https://invidious.snopyta.org/channel/UC2769dGUo_BaEjMixl9e1xg
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2769dGUo_BaEjMixl9e1xg

Here's another channel about it:
https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=xTWuYPavSjc
https://youtube.com/watch?v=xTWuYPavSjc
The competition to pick Australia's next IFV is over. We are picking the Hanwha Redback(a modified K21) over Rhinemetall's Lynx. 

The Redback(or rather the K21) is a lot lighter than the Lynx at 25.6t compared to 34-50t, it has a better Horsepower to weight Ratio and it can carry 9 dismounts compared to 6/8 for the lynx.
But there are probably trade-offs in secrets things like armour protection or sensors or something.


https://www.thedefensepost.com/2023/07/27/australia-hanwha-infantry-vehicle/
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That article mentions couple of things about the Lynx.
> equipped with active, passive, and reactive systems to protect against rocket-propelled grenades and anti-tank guided missiles.
> The Lynx is also armed with the next-generation Lance 2.0 turret and the new Wotan 35 electrically-driven cannon
I assume these are the things that are "better" than the Redback. The lighter weight can come from the thinner armour, less capable weapons, less ammo (or same amount of smaller rounds)... I dunno, Wotan 35 as the name says 35mm autocannon, but Wikipee says K21 has a 40mm one.
I'm not sure about the armour protection, even tanks can be taken out with relative ease, so a heavier Lynx with thicker skin might not be that advantageous.
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> Optionally Manned Fighting Vehicle (OMFV)
They are running out of acronyms, started to scrape the bottom of the barrel.
> Team Lynx
Should have called it Lynx Mob.
> XM30 Mechanized Infantry Combat Vehicle
Sounds very effecitve. Not just Infrantry Combat Vehicle, but "Mechanized"! Really packs more punch.
But that XM30 is ridiculous. Should have called it BAR. BAR MICV...
> a third AI-powered virtual third crew member
To be honest every task a computer replaces frees up one crew member, so all could be called virtual crew.
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The first battalion riding Lynx's is getting set up.
They promise ~1700 USD net wage for soldiers enrolling to this particular unit. For the U25 age bracket. The current crew also gets wage bump to this level. The recruitment starts  basically now, but signing up and enrollment starts next month. The contract is for three years.
The unit is part of 30th "MH Kinizsi Pál" armoured infantry brigade.
Btw if anyone wants a ride, there's some lottery game thingy on the Facebook page of the Hungarian Defense Force.
https://honvedelem.hu/hirek/embert-varunk-a-vasra.html

All in all we're gonna get 218 Lynxes by 2029.
Here's the parameters we get:
- 30mm autocannon
- guided AT missile
- "radio controlled weapon platform"
- smoke grenades
- fun
- length: ~8,5m; width: ~3,8m; height: 3,7m
- weight: 45t
- it's bigger than a fucking T-72
- crew: 11 (I assume 3+8???)
- range: 410km
- speed: 65km/h
- about the same as a T-72
https://honvedelem.hu/hirek/ime-a-lynx.html

Quite a few photos on those pages, so foreigners can enjoy em too.
Despite the language switch in the upper right corner, no English version for these articles are available.
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I think they just swap the equipment.
But I think the HDF is in a constant state of reorganization since 1990.
Although I knew a bit of the years of the people's army, they had several orders of battle during 40 years so.
Australia is buying Mitsubishi's Mogami class Frigates from Japan, the first three will be build in Japan and the rest in Australia. The contender was a German firm.

So that's interesting. Apparently this will be the first time Mistusbish has worked with a nation to build ships over seas. Though that's not so surprising seeing as the Japanese only relatively recently allowed arms exports.
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Do they build new shipyards or existing ones will be upgraded with Japtech?
> this will be the first time Mistusbish has worked with a nation to build ships over seas.
I guess they look for new sources of income now that rearmament is a thing.

I do like modern ship's hulls, very streamlined and graceful. I do not like the superstructure, on this one either. Clumsy and un-aesthetic.
 >>/54510/
They will be built at an existing shipyard but of course the shipyard will have to be modified to do it, that's part of the initial contract. The initial contract is for 3 frigates from Japan and the technical transfer to them here.
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Are they expecting more to built beyond Australian needs? Will they produce for Japan, or perhaps other countries?
It could be interesting to look up naval ship manufacturing of the globe. Perhaps I'll do that. Trump complained they don't build enough.
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Well I asked grok, and it gathered some data from 20 webpages, like half of those were Wikipedia.
Here's the summary of it's summary. Naval/military vessels.
Notable types and groups: aircraft carriers, destroyers, frigates and corvettes counts these as one category, it isn't wrong, submarines, littoral combat ships, patrol vessels, amphibious ships.
Largest global producers: China (50%), South Korea(28%), Japan(13%) - it sums this at 85%, not 91, so I assume the variation comes from the sources and yearly fluctuation. This is insanely disproportionate. Probably these numbers include commercial ships too - just by the glance I took at the sources.
Other notable producers: US, Russia, UK, France, Germany, Italy, Netherlands, Spain, India (1%), Philippines, Vietnam, Turkey.
Aircraft carrier manufacturing in: China, US, India, France, UK. I'm not sure the latter two still produces them, or they built some and have potential capability to continue if need arises.

Here's a handful of links:
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/largest-navies-in-the-world - according to this India already has 2 CVs.
https://www.virtuemarine.nl/post/top-10-maritime-nations-leading-the-shipbuilding-industry
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/countries-dominate-global-shipbuilding/
https://www.marineinsight.com/know-more/top-10-ship-building-countries-in-the-world/
https://www.globalfirepower.com/navy-ships.php - Hungary #129 yaaaaaaaaaaaaay gib back my seas!
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Not all ships are the same so that does not help much. China has more ships than the US but most of those are small coastal ships.

The other competitor for this contract was German but their ship needed more crew and had a shorter life span so even though it was smaller than the Japanese one it would cost about the same over it's life time. Japanese ship is also configured to work with US navy ships so that helps us too. Plus there were probably diplomatic reasons, it makes more sense for us to work with Japan than Germany seeing as Germany has no presence or interest in this area anyway.

The UK recently build two, HMS Elizabeth(named after Elizabeth I not II) and HMS Prince of Wales. It's struggling to maintain it's navy though, but with the new funding they will get they may be able to finally maintain it properly, also personnel retention is an issue(that's the case in most western nations, hence why Australia wanted the ship with less crew).
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During Radom air show practice flights Polish pilot crashed with his F-16. Videos I got from 'sneets I haven't confirmed that that is the crash from other sources.
https://simpleflying.com/pilot-killed-f16-crash-rehearsal-poland-radom-airshow/

May Tengri guard is soul.


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