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WMD's, specifically nukes achieved that already. No link necessary, thanks.

 >>/78616/
THIS!

Once countries like Iran & Ukraine get nukes pariah superpowers will leave them alone. It's been proven already, no nation that wants to survive directly goes to war with a nuclear superpower, Mutually Assured Destruction ensures that EVERYONE would lose another world war so it is not even worth entertaining such a crazy idea. The more nukes, the better.

 >>/78615/
Go ahead, share the link. I'd be interested to see if it makes any sense or not.

 >>/78616/
i dont think world peace is ever 100% possible, but nukes are the closest we ever have, and probably will, get. 
but get a dumb fucking psycho in government, in any country that has nukes, and that will be a huge risk to world peace. 
but after the nuclear apocalypse, if it ever happens, does front its head our the sand. well just go back to tribalistic wars for innovation and nothing changes. 

 >>/78615/
pls share the link anon.

 >>/78620/
 >>/78623/

Thanks for the interest. Here is the link to the proposal:
https://www.change.org/GlobalGovernmentNow

I understand the realist view on nuclear deterrence, but this project aims for a more structural approach to prevent any "dumb fucking psycho" from pulling the trigger. Check it out and let me know your thoughts.

 >>/78637/
BRICS+ already has the solution my friend. Respect national sovereignty, global free trade, protect and respect differing cultures, promote free market and free enterprise, work towards world peace with respect and acceptance to national borders and differing cultures.

I do not trust big tech oligarchs or globohomo corrupt western governments anymore. All they have provided us is endless wars, a massive surveillance state and national debt insolvency. I'm fucking DONE with this shitty unfair hostile system we have today.

BRICS is the future, or there is no future and I could care less if the nukes are used if it has to come to that.

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 >>/78640/

I completely agree with your distrust of current corrupt Western fovernments and big tech oligarchs. They have failed us.

However, this proposal is NOT about giving them more power. It aims for a structural system to hold ALL superpowers accountable, including those Western regimes.

If BRICS is the future, they also need a fair, legal framework to prevent wars. Check the details again---it's about replacing the broken system we have today.

 >>/78615/
> Is world peace actually achievable?
no.

humans are the byproduct of evolution, which means we are locked in a neverending existential war.

 >>/78684/

You are absolutely right about human nature. Evolution programmed us to compete.

But that is exactly why we need a structural framework. We managed to end domestic tribal wars by creating modern legal systems within nations. Now we need that same logical upgrade on a global scale to neutralize those predatory instincts between superpowers.

Hate to say this but humans overall are violent greedy animals by nature. I truly think if everyone wants to be on an equal playing field, and be forced to live in peace with one another, all citizens should own firearms for self-defense and all nations should own nuclear deterrents for the same concept. The only thing stopping a crazed sociopath control freak or out of control regime is the actual risk of them getting gunned down and/or incinerated to dust over stupid selfish belligerent behavior.

Think about it this way.... why does the US not attack North Korea? Why does China and India not erupt in a huge war with one another? What if Ukraine, Iran and Taiwan had nuclear weapons already? All these hostilities would end the moment assholes realize they face complete destruction for their hostile behaviors.

The only good thing I can say about is today we face a greater opportunity at nuclear proliferation. Now that Europe is arming Finland with nukes, perhaps Russia will arm Iran with nukes too. If Iran gets nukes, maybe Taiwan will get some too. Maybe then, the whole world will start to understand protecting national sovereignty against hostile behavior requires the ability to checkmate, a nuclear deterrent. In the meantime we can consider something besides the UN, perhaps AI can be used to reason with us very dumb human animals? Perhaps AI could enlighten humanity how to share our resources and have everyone prosper in peace while we have the deterrents too?

dont be a pray.

 >>/78615/
Don't think so OP

 >>/78623/
 >>/78637/
> dumb fucking psycho
Those people who rise to such position of power and authorothay are egotistic, ambitious people who love the admiration they get from the people. They don't want to live in a dark hole underground with 50 other people to worship them. They also want to enjoy all the pleasures this world can give them and not a bunker.

 >>/78701/
> They don't want to live in a dark hole underground with 50 other people to worship them. They also want to enjoy all the pleasures this world can give them and not a bunker.

True, so in other words those kind of dictators/politicians would least benefit from a nuclear world end-game apocalypse because they rely on everything working the same including the current economic system that helped shape and mold them.

This is exactly why I say no matter how big and bad an ego, no matter the psycho, no matter how corrupt a government is, no one would ever EVER benefit or "win" a nuclear world war, which is why no one would dare start a nuclear conflict. Notice how many times the Kremlin threatens to nuke Europe but does absolutely nothing as days and weeks and months pass? It's all bluster because they know damn well EVERYONE would lose if it ever escalated to that. Even the worst dictators of the East to the insane crooked political scumbags of the West all know this. It's laughable. Best thing that could happen to this world is more nuclear proliferation as a deterrent. Probably the reason WWIII would never actually happen.

I'll just call him Dave. I knew a glowie back in the day who actually worked with the DoD. He was a very honest, smart, family friendly dude, no doubt retired today, probably going on fishing trips like he always loved to do. Anyway, me and Dave would sometimes talk and joke about different "happenings" going on in the world many years ago (mid-2000s era). About wars in the Middle East. How government bureaucracy sucked balls. Taxation. Corruption in politics, which we saw eye to eye often, he being in the thick of it at the time. Dave never talked about anything confidential or classified, nor ever detailed exactly what he did.

At one point in our conversation the subject of nukes were brought up, at least in theory of global threats. What he said made a ton of sense to me. He said the open secret about nuclear weapons technology is WMDs were initially build to become a massive deterrent (even before used during WWII nukes were originally meant to be tested at some point to show off our supreme might to the world, "you don't want to fuck with the US!" basically). It was never meant to be used against populations. Nuclear proliferation was always a means to deter enemies from hostility and dangerous behavior. It was solely designed to keep nations in check, in line. No government really wants to use nuclear weapons which they all secretly fear. It is more or less used for psychological warfare. Sometimes it helps re-enforce sensible precaution which was the whole point having them. To deter major wars.

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You guys make a solid point about MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction). Fear of complete annihilation is indeed the only thing keeping egoistic dictators and regimes in check right now.

But relying purely on the "rationality" of armed psychopaths holding nukes is a high-stakes gamble. It only takes one miscalculation, one rogue regime, or one technical glitch to end humanity. Nuclear deterrence is a temporary bandage, not a permanent solution.

That's exactly why we need to move from a "balance of terror" to a legal global framework that structurally binds these weapons and superpowers under strict institutional rules, which is what this project aims for:

https://www.change.org/GlobalGovernmentNow

If we want true deterrence that doesn't put a gun to humanity's head 24/7, we must talk about upgrading the global system itself.

 >>/78749/
I do understand your concern, it is a dangerous conundrum. It reminds me why so many people own guns honestly. I own guns for various reasons: collecting, pest control around the homestead, seldom times hunting with a friend or relatives, but most of all conceal carry and personal self-defense and defense of private property. Would I ever wish to use a gun against another human being? Hell no! I prefer people being peaceful and respectful of others. The hard truth is many people are not and some can be very dangerous. There are the scumbags that will rob homes and commit armed robberies. There are the perverts that will kidnap and rape your kids or wife. There are the types who hold grudges for what-ever stupid reason and want to harm you or destroy your property. Why on Earth would we not have something to defend ourselves and our properties when clearly criminal scumbags do exist and will always exist? Now consider these kinds of problems on a global level. US attacking Vietnam, US bombing Iran, Israel bombing Lebanon and Gaza, Russia invading Ukraine, NATO violently taking over Yugoslavia, the potential of China taking over Taiwan in the future..... We tried international laws before after WWII. The UN security council. Nuremberg trials. Treaties. Memorandums. Outlawing genocide and war crimes. The ICC (International Crimes Court). Who has ever been held responsible? When has international law ever stopped hostile actors? What if hostile nations choose not to obey an AI or even cooperate? That is the biggest conundrum, changing human behavior, holding hostile actors accountable. Better yet, the AI is only as competent as the ones who program it. Who is to make sure the AI is 100% unbias in it's decision making?

 >>/78615/
You know that cliche of bad guys wanting to rule the world? Well that dream of world domination is supposed to bring about world peace. Conquering the entire planet and uniting it is supposed to end all wars and allow humanity as a whole to ascend.

I think that's an idea that has proven itself impossible, but only because of the fact that a multiracial multiethnic multicultural multifaith society where the females are treated as human beings by the law, is doomed to failure.
What should be done is one group should wipe out all others, so humanity is one race one ethnicity one religion one culture and also women and children should be made chattel slaves living humanoid pieces of private property belonging to individual men (their husbands, fathers, oldest closest male relative, and so on).
That kind of stability would allow world peace to be possible, at least in theory.

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 >>/78769/
I'm going to enlighten you with a deliberately safe-guarded secret the ((powers that be)) don't want people realizing. You would not see as much crime and wars if everyone shared wealth and society was prosperous. Once upon a time in middle class America, 1950-60 era, average people did not even lock their front doors at night because robbery was so rare it was unfathomable. It was because everyone could share "the American dream" there was no need for desperate people to engage in desperate criminal activity, and the seldom few that did ended up killed or serving long term sentences in prison.

The poorer those crooked politicians make our society; via debt insolvency, outsourcing industry, increasing taxation, increasing monopolization of the economy, the destruction of the free market; the more crime flourishes. Drug and alcohol abuse increases. Wars break out over greed and resources. It becomes a doom loop of endless exploitation, fraud and corruption. Which, by the way, we see today and are living under now.

We had it right 60+ years ago, that was the way forward, but corrupt idiots got into power and fucked it all up for us.