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Every day that they're still there, they say, "see, we took on the superpower of civilizational history and we're still here and they couldn't stop us" and they give no context that all of our restraint is self-imposed on us.
It's humanitarian, it's political, but it's not military.
And we don't have to use great weapons.
We can defeat them from the air as we were doing, but we've lost about almost two months'time in these negotiations.
And they interpret that as - they look at magnanimity on our part as weakness to be exploited, Mark, not as magnanimity or kindness to be reciprocated.
That's just the way they do it.
And you can't believe anything they say because they don't believe it's a lie.
They think it's a strategic advantage not to tell the truth.
So it's difficult to negotiate with them.
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Mark R. Levin: Let me ask you this question, Victor.
In some ways, every war is different.
We understand that.
But in World War II, we required victory.
We required that the Japanese surrender.
We required victory.
We wanted it over once and for all.
It was the same thing with Germany.
Italy was destroyed and so forth and so on.
Obviously, tremendous amounts of damage to the civilian population, to industry, to communities, just massive throughout Europe and so forth and so on.
In this case, there's a lot of pressure and a lot of people I hear saying that we can't have a victory per se.
We've got to figure out how to contain them.
We've got to come up with an agreement that's enforceable.
And so from your perspective as a historian, I'm curious what you think.
It's possible in the short term, I'm sure.
But is it possible in the midterm and the long term to contain them?
We have to take a break.
As soon as we come back, that's my question to you.
We'll be right back.
Welcome back, America.
Victor Davis Hanson.
So does victory against Iran look different than victory, say, against Germany, Japan, Italy and so forth?
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Victor Davis Hanson: Yeah, it does a little bit because in the post-war era, we're in the era of nuclear weapons, so there's always a restraint that you can't escalate with enough damage to humiliate the enemy and ensure that he'll never again make war
against you and change the government as we did to a certain extent in Korea, but certainly in World War II.
And then we're a therapeutic culture, so you know, in an age of global communications, you miss a target, and there's a CNN reporter right there saying you're a war criminal, or the International Criminal Court might indict you if you miss an artillery strike target.
So there's all sorts of self-imposed restraints.
But that said, human nature doesn't change, Mark.
You turn military victory into strategic resolution by making it impossible for the enemy to continue the war.
You can do that by changing the government you can do that by destroying their economy and making them but it's all it's more periodic rather than final in the sense everything is periodic you never really ever defeat some you try to win them over to our cause.
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