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Jim Hanson: Jesse, I don't think anybody would be more thrilled than me to watch some helmet cam footage of a bunch of JSOC pipe hitters
repelling out of helicopters and stacking cartel members like cordwood.
Now, that's the ultimate.
I don't know that we'll probably open with that.
You know, there's likely to be a lot of increased surveillance.
There may be some raids to pick up some people to arrest and put on trial.
There'll be some interdiction off the coasts.
The Navy can cover a lot more territory than the Coast Guard can.
And together, they can cover both the ex-fill from Central and South America and the infill to us.
So there's a lot of things to start with, but this is a tremendous step they're taking.
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Watters: All right.
So they could see some guys off the field and bring them here and put them on trial.
Could they also just "drone strike" these cartel bad guys right in their backyard?
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Jim Hanson:
You know, that's a, that's a lawyer question, but I'm going to give you the common sense answer.
If their cartels are killing people in the United States and the MS-13 and Tren de agua with gangs are, why can't we kill their leaders just the same way President Trump pointed out we took care of Soleimani?
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Watters: That would be an imminent threat, right?
I mean, if these guys are cooking up all this fentanyl and sending it into the cities and people are acting like zombies and keeling over,
an imminent threat to the life and well-being of the American citizenry.
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Jim Hanson: Absolutely.
And I think the rationale we use for other terrorists we've killed, through multiple administrations, Barack Obama still I think holds the record for the number of people killed overseas by drone strikes, including one US citizen.
So I think President Trump deciding that these guys, who are definitely killing Americans with drugs, torturing and ruining people with human trafficking and child trafficking, those are things that I think all of America can look at and say we don't need to allow that, and anything we do to them is probably justified at this point.
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Watters: Now, the Mexican President, she's played nice so far on trade, but it's a big no bueno, she says, if we start launching direct action into her territory, it's not even really her territory.
I guess technically it is, but the cartels control almost that entire country.
What does that do to Mexico?
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Jim Hanson: Yeah, I mean, that is not her decision.
You know, she's the one who runs a country that allows that to happen.
So if she wants to go ahead and try and tell President Trump we can't do that, we're going to do what we need to and she's going to go ahead and face the consequences.
That's something they've allowed for far too long.
All right, well, it looks like that time's up.
Jim Hansen, good to talk to you.
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Trace Gallagher: Let's bring in Jonathan Fahey former acting ice director and former DHS deputy assistant secretary.
Jonathan, great to have you on the show.
I want to place some sound here from the Secretary of State Marco Rubio.
He said this about targeting cartels as terrorists.
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