Bert 10/31/2025 12:04:00 No. 52366 [Open] [Reply] Actions Report Translate Thread... Hide Thread Translate... Hide Post >>/52365/ No i don't think so, the new grail has a more "progressive geo" with a longer reach, slacker head tube angle, and possibly steeper seat tube angle. Same thing as with MTBs in the last 10-15 years.